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How To Get A Dual Degree In Medicine In 2021

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  1. Mahmoud Abudeif

    Mahmoud Abudeif Golden Member

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    As a physician, I support any decision to earn a dual degree. In medicine, dual degree options and programs range from MD/MBA like I have, to an MD with an MPH, MHA, MS, or JD (public health, hospital administration, masters, and Juris doctor, respectively). There’s no correct answer for which to pursue as it all depends on your career goals and interests.


    Obtaining a Dual Degree

    There are established dual degree programs in place in many schools. I’ve seen setups for MD/MBA designed to get both degrees within four years. That means you also need to be accepted into both at the same time. The business curriculum often gets offered during the summers, with a few courses sprinkled in throughout the final two years of medical school.

    Criteria to be accepted are the same as applying separately. Often, you’ll have to take a standardized graduate-level test such as the GMAT (for MBA) or the GRE and then submit standard application materials.

    Other programs aren’t really programs. You have to plan ahead and take time off during medical school or decide that you want two different degrees and complete your business or law degree or master’s degree before or after medical school.

    There’s no advantage except that you may save some time and money with the combined program. My experience was to take a year off of medical school to complete my MBA. The year off was a great relief from medicine and allowed me to focus on the management curriculum. Plus, we got the opportunity to study abroad and travel, something I wouldn’t trade for anything.

    Know Your Why

    It’s essential to have some idea of what you want out of your career before pursuing that dual degree. What do you hope to do with your business background? Do you want to work in administration? Open your own business? Pursue interests outside of clinical medicine?

    Again, there is no right or wrong answer. It could be you want the extra knowledge and don’t really know what career trajectory you’ll take, and that’s ok too. But start to think about how you see your future shaping up. Everyone you meet will ask you these questions, so having some ideas in your back pocket can help. Plus, knowing your story can help with networking in the business world, which can then open doors to opportunities you never knew existed.

    Now What Can You Do With a Dual Degree?

    You’ve worked hard, spent an extra year (or more) to obtain that dual degree status, and now you’re done! Congrats! You’re in a position shared with relatively few professionals.

    As a physician, I’d first suggest that you complete a residency. Some people skip training to work for various medical industries, e.g., pharmaceuticals or consulting, which is fine if that’s your career goal. But, if you’re like me and want to use both your degrees, then you should complete your training. Doing so will give you credibility with other physicians in the future, and your work experience, in general, will lend you credibility with your management teams.

    I chose anesthesia as my field of medicine for various reasons, all of which suited and do still suit me just fine. However, when I made this choice, I was at a loss as to how anesthesia would fit my plans to be an administrator. I assumed that I’d have to do pain management and open a practice to use my degree. However, when I began residency, I realized how valuable the degree is just for everyday work life.

    In other words, you don’t need to be in a specific field to use your management degree. As I mentioned in my MD/MBA post, management concepts are an integral part of medicine. Your skills will come in handy no matter what you choose to do.

    After Your Training

    As you finish residency, you need to decide what kind of trajectory your career will take as this will dictate your job hunt or take you in another direction.

    As I mentioned earlier, you may want more practical experience or exposure depending on what you want to do. When I initially spoke to my chairman about doing something in management, he pointed me towards Capitol Hill. His advice: Get involved at the national level in health policy, as that’s where a lot of the future issues in medicine will come from. Some examples:

    Health Policy Fellowships:
    • ASA Landsdale Public Policy Fellowship
    • Robert Wood Johnson Health Policy Fellowship Program
    • Academy Health, Health Policy Fellowship
    • Families USA Villers Fellowship
    While there’s a definite need for physicians to get involved at that level, the time commitment does not allow for the maintenance of clinical work. Essentially, you’re taking a year off from working as a physician.

    Health policy did not align with my interests. I wanted more experience in management and administration. A quick online search, and I found a handful of perioperative management fellowships across the country. A few new ones have formed since then. Some examples:

    Perioperative Management Fellowships:
    • Duke University: Perioperative Medicine Fellowship
    • Massachusetts General Hospital: Perioperative Administration Fellowship
    • Montefiore: Perioperative Management Course and Fellowship
    • Stanford University: Fellowship in Management of Perioperative Services
    • Tulane University: Perioperative Management
    • University of California, Irvine: Fellowship in Management of Perioperative Services
    • University of California, San Diego: Fellowship in Perioperative Management
    • The University of Washington, Perioperative Quality and Patient Safety
    If public policy or management isn’t for you, then there are other options as well:

    • Drexel: Injury and Public Health Fellowship
    • Duke Masters in Global Health
    • Stanford Global Health Fellowship
    These lists are by no means the only options out there. I just wanted to provide some examples and point out there are options out there that you don’t often hear about, nor do many people know about them. The point here is that there are many ways to use your dual degree. Even without another degree, you can take part in these opportunities if you’re interested.

    Benefits of a Dual Degree

    The biggest benefit is the career options available to you once you’ve graduated. The management and leadership skills that you bring into your training are also advantageous. I’ve had doors open for me that I don’t think would have if I didn’t have my background. Even though it’s two different subjects and two different fields, medicine and business are intertwined. Medicine can’t survive without business know-how. Knowing can give you a leg up no matter where you go or what field you’re in. You can even leverage this to pursue careers outside of medicine, should you want to.

    The biggest problem with earning another degree is that it takes time and money. Many students don’t want to burden themselves further with that kind of commitment.

    How to Proceed Without a Dual Degree

    Dual degree or not, getting involved early is important. As a resident, try to join various committees, e.g., QA/QI, to gain some practical experience. Attend conferences that emphasize management and business concepts. As an example, there is an annual Practice Management conference given by the American Society of Anesthesiologists. I attended for the first time as a senior resident and ended up meeting the department’s chair where I now work (read more about that particular story here).

    When asked to do studies or produce academic papers, try to use business as the focus. When working, pay attention to what’s going on behind the scenes in your hospital. Ask to speak with your chairman about their leadership responsibilities and see if he/she has any recommendations about how you can get involved or who you can talk to about business and management.

    There are tons of resources and ways to give yourself knowledge and experience without attending a joint degree program or pursuing two separate degrees. It takes some effort and self-motivation, but it is possible.

    I would also say that by asking these questions, which no one else asks, you’ll also stand out and differentiate yourself from those around you.

    Take the Path Less Chosen

    As physicians, we walk down a single path, one that’s well beaten, i.e., residency, fellowship, clinical work, research. Yet, every day new opportunities arise for us to take the path less traveled and make a difference. With health policy, you have a chance to affect how millions of people receive treatment; with management, you can make decisions for a whole department or hospital versus a few patients. Global health involves you on an even grander scale, taking your skills to areas of the world where primary healthcare is an issue.

    Given that, if you’re reading this, you have another degree, are interested in another, or have interests outside of medicine, then I applaud you for thinking outside the box. We need more physicians who do this and know that pursuing these pathways by no means narrows your future. Instead, it expands it and opens doors that otherwise would not be available to you.


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